Media Saturday: Rhett & Link, Once Upon a Time, and Christina Perri

Hello hello friends! It’s Media Saturday :). Today I’ll be reviewing Rhett & Link from Youtube, the hit tv show “Once Upon a Time”, and singer Christina Perri. I am excited about today’s reviews. I believe many of you will be familiar with these shows/people. Once again I hold a Biblical world view and that will affect my reviews.  Let’s get started!

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#1 Once Upon A Time  (warning a few spoilers)

What can I say? Most of you probably already watch this show.”Once Upon a Time” quickly became one of America’s top shows.  “Once Upon a Time” is about a group of fairy tale characters who are cursed by an evil queen. Now the characters are stuck in the real world in Story Brooke, Maine. No one ages and no one remembers their past  except the evil queen who is now Mayor of Story Brooke (& maybe Rumpelstiltskin).

Before the curse hit, Snow White and Prince Charming put their only child in a magical tree that transported the child to another realm safe from the curse. This child was Emma (who is now 28) and the prophecies say she is the one who will break the curse.  Emma has a 10 yr old son, Henry, that she gave up for adoption. Henry was adopted by the evil Queen (Regina-they all have new names in the real world). Henry finds Emma and asks for her help to break the curse. Henry has a book that tells the story of all the characters including why Emma was seemingly abandoned by her parents. Emma of course is skeptical but she agrees to drive Henry back to Story Brooke. In the process, Emma sees Henry did not get the best life through adoption and she finds she wants t be apart of Henry’s life after all.

Emma has no family life or friends really. She was passed along through the foster system and now she’s a bail bondsman/ bounty hunter. So Emma has nothing to lose when she moves to Story Brooke. Regina (the evil Queen) is very hostile towards Emma and tells her to stay out of Henry’s life. At first, Regina seems to be a normal overprotective mom. Why would she want some strange woman who agreed to a closed adoption, to show up and confuse her son? But as we continue in the series we see Regina is a hateful and controlling person who doesn’t understand true love. We find out that she took her own Father’s heart to make the curse. Strangely her Father’s name was Henry as well. Regina will do anything to take out her revenge on Snow White ( Mary Margaret now & Henry’s school teacher).  We still don’t know what Snow White did to the Evil Queen and I have a feeling it will be awhile before we find out. The series just started after all.

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What makes this show so addictive is how they take fairy tales and portray them in real life. They go back n forth between what happened to the characters in the story world and what’s happening now in the real world because of the curse. At the heart of the stories is the character Rumpelstiltskin. He is Mr. Gold in the real world. Mr. Gold is the one character who has control over Regina and this is because Mr. Gold gave Regina the curse with a price. Rumpelstiltskin (Mr. Gold) repeatedly says “Magic always comes with a price”.  Regina (evil Queen) has to give Mr. Gold whatever he asks when he says please. Mr. Gold’s back story is interesting. He wasn’t always evil but now he makes deceptive deals with the storybook characters.

For instance, in the “Once Upon a Time” story of Cinderella, Rumple destroys the fairy Godmother for her wand. Then HE is the one to send Cinderella to the ball….but with a price. She now owes him. When the time comes we find out Cinderella must give up her first born child (Rumple has a thing for babies). Cinderella tricks Rumple and he is locked up but now she is cursed. In the real world Cinderella (Ashley) is a single 19 yr old pregnant maid. Her prince isn’t around to help and she feels she must give the baby to Mr. Gold to be put up for adoption. Emma convinces Ashley to keep the baby and Emma ends up making a deal with Mr. Gold so he won’t take the baby. In the end, Cinderella and her Prince are together in the real world along with their baby. Emma acts as savior for many storybook characters in each episode.

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The one story that is constant and full of surprises is Snow White’s story. Snow White and Prince Charming are the main characters and Emma’s real parents.  But in Story Brooke they are the same age they were when Emma was born. At first, Prince Charming (David) is in a coma. Mary Margaret (Snow White) volunteers and visits him. After Emma’s arrival, Snow White brings David out of his coma with a kiss.  The bad news is that they are still cursed. They don’t remember they were married in the storybook world. Then Regina (evil Queen) finds David’s wife Kathryn (King Midas’ daughter). David tries to stay faithful to his real world wife Kathryn but David and Mary are drawn to each other. This part of the story is confusing. Is it really adulterous for Snow and Charming to be together? After all, they were married first in the world they are from. The curse has turned morality upside down on it’s head…making it hard to determine what is right and wrong. For this reason I strongly caution parents if they let their kids watch this show.

I personally let my son watch some episodes and others I ban. A few times I’ve had to cover his eyes. Little Red Riding Hood (Ruby in real world) dresses like a hoochie and works at the local diner. There hasn’t been any sex scenes but some things are implied (with the evil Queen). If you don’t let your children watch magic then this is a no no. I personally allow my son to watch some magic and we discuss the difference between reality and fantasy. I’m very open with my son. We don’t do Santa Clause or the tooth fairy. If you do that’s up to you. I’m not telling anyone how to parent. We do use our imagination alot and pretend but at the end of the day Michael knows whats real and whats fantasy. Anywho, “Once Upon A Time” is supposed to be a family show but like I said there are some instances where you have to be careful. Some episodes may be too scary for children as well. Plus I get sick of the commercials especially ones for Desperate Housewives ( I hate that show…just being honest).  You can watch episodes of Once Upon a Time on ABC.com and decide what’s best for your family.

 

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As an adult I love this show. It is one of the few decent shows on televisions. It is more moral than most shows. Fairy tales don’t bother me at this age. When I was a young kid I was very impressionable and my magic intake should’ve been limited or atleast discussed. Now as an adult I am very grounded in my faith as a Christian. My dad was a minister and he educated me very well on other religions (including Wicca which he experienced BEFORE he became a minister). So when I watch magical shows I can pick out what is fantasy and what’s based on real life magic. I’m not going to watch “Harry Potter” and decide to become a Wiccan.  I know what’s behind that stuff. I know demons are real (I’ve seen a few) and I know the spiritual battle in this world is very REAL.

My Son on the other hand is young and sometimes movie characters become role models instead of mom and Dad……..especially when they seem so much cooler. Fantasy and television can really have a powerful grip on a child. I’ve never let my son watch Spiderman (I don’t like the movies) yet he thinks Spiderman is SO cool. We homeschool too so it doesn’t make sense. But I can’t shelter my son from everything. I can on the other hand provide him a safe zone where he can mature and be trained for battle. Seriously this world is like a warzone. I’m not sending my kid into it without some wisdom and combat training (figuratively speaking).  I’m glad my Dad prepared me or I probably would’ve been drawn to the occult. Education is a powerful thing.

In conclusion, (sorry I bunny trailed) Once Upon a Time is very entertaining and one of the cleaner shows on tv. I love how the writers give the fairy tales depth. There are so many surprises and twists and turns. This show comes from the writers of “Lost” so it’s bound to be interesting. Do you like Once Upon a Time?  Please leave me a comment with your opinion. What’s your favorite aspect of the show? What do you dislike about it? Who is your fav. character?

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#2 Rhett and Link      www.youtube.com/user/RhettandLink

Ok, this review will be short and sweet (I know you’re thankful lol). My awesome hubby introduced me to Rhett and Link on youtube and I laughed myself silly. In fact, I used one of their videos in this week’s Laugh Yourself Silly Thursday post.  Rhett and Link have been best friends since grade-school. They are some goofy guys who love to make people laugh and they do it well..very well. My hubby says Rhett and Link now have their own cable show.

These guys are well liked by many. They have 854,055 subscribers and their channel has 121,565,657 video views. So I am not alone in my love for Rhett & Link videos.  These guys make funny advertisement videos like this:

They do goofy stunts like this:

I just have to SHOW you these videos…I don’t know how to describe the greatness of Rhett and Link. You have to EXPERIENCE it lol 🙂

I even like their homeschool song. Yes my son WILL take over the country. I promise he won’t rob you though lol

Other hilarious videos include their Surrogate Sharers series, Caption Fail series, and their dating advice.

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#3 Christina Perri

Christina Perri is a lovely artist who sings and writes her own music. She can also play the guitar and piano. I enjoy artists who have diverse creativity. I’m not sure what genre I would put Christina’s music in…….some blues….some folk maybe……definitely not pop although one of her hit songs “A Thousand Years” could easily rival any Taylor Swift song.

Christina Perri writes songs based on her own experiences with romance. There are happily ever after songs and there are songs about being lonely. Her voice is haunting and hard to get out of your head.

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Christina’s album “Lovestrong” has several lovely tunes. “Jar of Hearts” is the song that brought her to fame. It is a song about a charming man who steals women’s hearts then discards them. Here are some lyrics:

[Chorus:]
And who do you think you are?
Runnin’ ’round leaving scars
Collecting your jar of hearts
And tearing love apart
You’re gonna catch a cold
From the ice inside your soul
So don’t come back for me
Who do you think you are?

She also says she’s not his “ghost anymore”. The music video is very unique artistically. The man is seen as a “dementor”, a creature from Harry Potter that sucks the life out of his victims. Well, this player sucks the life out of these girls when he kisses them and then leaves them all heart broken. I like how she used that concept. I personally don’t like some of  the dancing in the video. But I give Christina lots of creative points 🙂

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As a person, Christina seems to be more of an emo/steam punk chic. I can’t imagine her wearing Abercrombie and Fitch. She reminds me of Lacy from Flyleaf. I myself have never been a preppy kind of girl (though I do have my “Pollyanna” moments and I love pink). I would so wear a tutu over my jeans if my hubby let me. I don’t care for tattoos but I’m not going to judge someone’s character because of them. In fact, one of my best friends has a tattoo.  Moving on, I really like how creative Christina is in her videos. My favorite video is “Arms”  in which her guy is tattooed and just not your average model for a chic video. In “Arms” Christina talks about her fears of being loved because she doesn’t want to hurt her lover. She feels that if she leaves him then she can’t make him “bleed”.  The video is gorgeous. She starts off lying in bed next to her man. Christina falls asleep and then dreams she’s flying away. She falls into the ocean at one point…climbs onto a boat that is full of her band mates and rocks out in the rain. Perri does alot of flying in this video. She actually floats away with some balloons too. In the end she runs back to her man and chooses love despite her fears.

Enjoy for yourself:

Ms. Perri also has some beautiful lyric videos. I haven’t seen other artists do their own lyric videos but I’m also getting old and out of the loop lol. My favorite lyric video is “The Lonely”. She personifies loneliness in this song. The video is enchanting yet a bit chilling.

You can find her song  “A Thousand Years” on the “Breaking Dawn” soundtrack from “Twilight”. I would have walked down the aisle to this song had it been around about 8 years ago. I leave you with a few lyrics:

Heart beats fast
Colors and promises
How to be brave
How can I love when I’m afraid to fall
But watching you stand alone
All of my doubt suddenly goes away somehow

One step closer

[Chorus:]
I have died everyday waiting for you
Darling don’t be afraid I have loved you
For a thousand years
I’ll love you for a thousand more

God bless and remember The High King Lives!

~Amber Dover

0 comments on “Media Saturday: Rhett & Link, Once Upon a Time, and Christina Perri

  1. Just saw you subscribed and then saw you were reviewing Rhett & Link and had to click over. I love those guys. Have you caught any of Good Mythical Morning on their secondary channel? It’s fantastic.

    Also – homeschoolers rock!

    I’m curious to know more of your thoughts on Harry Potter – especially as a Christian who’s been taught about Wicca. I read the first Harry Potter book so I could judge for myself and concluded it was dangerous – I wouldn’t let my kids read it (hypothetically – I don’t have kids yet). Though, like you, I wouldn’t be worried about myself falling into witchcraft from reading it. At the same time, I didn’t read the rest of the series, despite liking the first book.

    Anyway, I heard a rumor that Rowling had written the books to teach her kids Wicca – which sounds like hogwash to me, but I’ve love to hear the inside scoop. What do you think? Are there traces of real Wicca in the Harry Potter series (this assuming you’ve read any of them)?

    1. LOl yes we LOVE mythical morning! My hubby and son like to watch it before they go to bed 🙂

      I have mixed feelings about Harry Potter. I’m not an expert on Wicca but my Father did dabble in it before he became a Christian minister. I was not allowed to watch Harry Potter as a teen & my Dad would turn over in his grave if he knew I’ve watched it now. I honestly haven’t read the books. I saw the movies out of curiosity.

      I do believe there is some real witchcraft in the movies: like reading tea leaves and talking to the dead (which is forbidden in the Bible) but it’s mixed in with alot of make believe magic. I guess I can see some Wicca in it: dark magic verses white magic. And some people say the Wizard cards are names of real warlocks etc. That disturbs me. I see Harry Potter as more of a gateway drug. Some children may watch it and begin to research witchcraft.

      I enjoyed the storyline of Harry as an orphan & also the way the characters grow up. There are some good moral lessons but then again I caution parents. Some kids may watch the movies & see it as good fiction like my nephews. But others may be like me as a kid. I was drawn to fantasy & it was by God’s grace that I didn’t get into witchcraft. The occult was all around me & I desperately wanted to escape reality (broken home). I think it comes down to knowing your children and having open communication. I don’t think parents should let their kids watch just anything. They should sit & watch tv with their kids then discuss it. Use tv as a teaching tool not a babysitter.

      I find myself having to do this with lil man…even with preK shows! Like dinosaur train….at the end they have a paleontologists speak & of course they teach evolution. I believe God created everything. So I have to have a talk with my son each time.

      Sorry this is so long. I don’t know if Rowling is a Wiccan or not. It could all be conspiracy theory. She claims to go to the church of England but only God knows her heart. She does have a decent amount of knowledge about witchcraft….from experience or research? I don’t know. I will say I admire her story as a writer…coming from poverty, writing her butt off, and then becoming a big success.

      I’m hoping my book will reach the same audience. That it will give kids an alternative and point them to research the Bible. It’s a spiritual book but not magical. The only ones with power are the King and his Son (angel like beings & demonic beings as well). I’m being very careful with the creatures etc in my book. I know C.S. Lewis got alot of flack for putting mythological creatures in his book. I can understand both sides of the issue.

      Children are impressionable & we have to be careful what they read. I really do like The Mistmantle Chronicles. It’s about squirrels & is really neat. Usually I hate squirrels…but give them swords and their own kingdom etc I’m sold. 🙂

      Maybe I’ll get a chance to read The Harry Potter books one day and I can give you a proper review. I’ve read other reviews that suggest the books have more Wicca in them but reviews can be biased sometimes. I try to be objective when I review…show the good and the bad. I don’t know if this helped? Thanks for reading my blog and this very long reply. 🙂 God bless! ~Amber D.

      1. I think you’ve hit it with the term “gateway drug.” That’s how I felt about the first book. Not threatening in and of itself, but because of Harry’s relatability (unwanted, misunderstood, bullied, etc.), I feared kids with those same problems would turn to what Harry turned to to solve them – magic.

        Oh, those pesky evolutionists. I have to roll my eyes every time they say “50 million years ago…” And now the BCE/CE instead of BC/AD? I mean really, who are they kidding?

        I have met people who boycotted Lewis for his mythology. Right after the LW&W movie came out, I remember someone telling me that Tumnus the Faun was meant to represent the god Bacchus. The conversation turned just after that, so I wasn’t able to reply (don’t you hate that?), but I wish I could’ve gotten in “Uh, no, actually Bacchus himself appears in Prince Caspian. Maybe you should read the books before you talk about them.” : P You can’t really judge Lewis’s mythology until you’ve read the space trilogy and some of his other stuff, so you can understand where he’s coming from. Otherwise it’s just a witch hunt. I would accuse Rowling of carelessness, rather than of willfully promoting witchcraft. She’s combined what (from Lewis’s perspective) are the two most dangerous attitudes toward demons/evil/the occult: (1) to believe that they don’t exist and are harmless, and (2) to develop an unhealthy obsession with them.

        I haven’t head of Mistmantle. Sounds good. I’ve been meaning to read Watership Down (about rabbits with swords) for some time but haven’t gotten around to it.

        Thanks for the reply! It did help. : )

        1. Watership Down sounds neat! I’ll have to check it out :). Yeah I agree with the Rowling thing. People often go to either extreme. I was obsessed with the occult as a child and for the first half of my life I wasn’t very sheltered….so I saw things….demonic and such. Thankfully God protected me & kept me from getting into witchcraft. I won’t watch horror films because of what happened back then….even ghost busters (since seeing my blinds moving up & down by themselves after the movie). My family on the other hand kind of ignored it….they thought I was just having nightmares or my imagination was carried away. I physically haven’t seen a demon in many years but I still struggle with nightmares. So I try to be careful about what goes into my child’s mind….I’m not perfect though :(.

          I am interested in your knowledge about C.S. Lewis. Once I read he was gnostic…both him and Tolkien. I’d like to understand what his purpose was in using Greek mythology….also I never realized Bacchus was in Caspian (I didn’t read all of the books). Was he in the movie as well?

          There are so many different views of fiction in Christian circles. Some people believe you can have a Christian Wizard in your book as long as they aren’t evil. I have a hard time with that because the evil with magic is putting yourself as God or above God……relying on someone else besides him. Then you have those who say Christian fiction is an oxymoron because we don’t need fiction to tell the truth. We should just share the gospel with the Bible and not use stories/ fantasy to teach anything….that Christian fiction is evil. I have a hard time with that as well. I’ve personally seen Christian fiction reach people for Christ and I’m sure it can lead people to Christ as well. I love Francine Rivers and I believe her books can lead people to Christianity….just like other people’s books may lead people down another path. Not everyone is going to pick up a Bible. I wish they would because you can’t top the ultimate story. But if my book can lead someone to Christ then it’s served it’s purpose. I can’t see that being evil. I do get though, how we have to be careful and we have to be intentional. I don’t want people guessing at the end who the High King represents….they will be pointed to Jesus. There’s alot of fantasy out there that deals with good Vs Evil……but black magic & white magic is still magic……..a way to live without God. It needs to be clear that the force isn’t our own power……that the true power is from one God and we trust in Him….we can’t fight our battles without His help. Otherwise it’s just all about us……trying to be someone different than who God made us to be……..trying to be our own god….then it’s evil. And if all our hope is pointed to humankind then we are doomed……..and most fantasy points to the individual..or to some force that can never save. Anywho, I’m still up in the air about it all but I truly believe I am meant to write inspirational fantasy & that God is calling me to do this. I am careful though and I’m praying alot for His guidance. My first version of the book was too mystical….too much about inner power & I threw it out. What I’m writing now is all about the High King (& the Prince)….the outer power that saves. There are some mystical creatures…like Sprites but they are evil (like they are in real life)…many creatures are dybbuk (demons) in disguise…..and there are angelic beings too but they’re not in the spotlight……because that’s how it is in real life. God’s angels do not seek glory….so the angels in my book won’t. When I was in the Charismatic movement I sought angels…and found demons instead. I have left that and I will never seek angels again. My focus is on Christ. I pray for balance. I’m really enjoying our conversation & it’s good to meet someone who’s in balance on this. I hope to learn from you. God bless!

  2. Ah! So much to talk about!!!

    Lewis and Tolkien gnostic? Noooo. Lewis was an atheist for much of his life, and Tolkien actually helped lead him to Christ. After that, Lewis became known as one of the greatest Christian apologists of all time (check out Mere Christianity). I think Lewis is mostly misunderstood – which breaks my heart, because he’s my favorite writer. I think the key to understanding his mixing mythology into his fiction is a belief he explained in The Screwtape Letters – that the devil cannot create anything. All he can do is twist what God has created. An example would be demons – Satan didn’t create them – they were angels who turned away from God and became twisted. Under that same argument, there is a little bit of truth in every lie. There are parallels to Christianity within Greek mythology – because ultimately Greek mythology stemmed from truth, but has gotten seriously twisted over time. In the Chronicles of Narnia and in the Space Trilogy, Lewis seeks to redeem those myths and return them to the truth they were originally meant to be.

    Bacchus wasn’t in the movie. In the book, Lucy and Susan run into him, and join the revelry for awhile (which is all innocent fun, dancing, laughter, no sexual stuff like in the Greek myths), but Aslan is with them, and at the end of the chapter, Susan points out “I wouldn’t have felt very safe with Bacchus and all his wild girls if we’d met them without Aslan.” To which Lucy replies “I should think not.” – which emphasizes the fact that mythology should be approached with caution and with grounding in God’s truth.

    There are two kinds of magic discussed in Narnia, – the regular old witchy magic that the good characters are cautioned to avoid, and the Deep Magic from the Dawn of Time (and its counterpart, the Deeper Magic from Before the Dawn of Time), which was written by Aslan’s father, the Emperor over the Sea (i.e. THE Father), and can be seen more like the moral law upon which He built the world. – So the power comes from God.

    As to how Christians view fiction – I think the question of a “good wizard” may come down to etymology, semantics, and whether you believe words have real power or are just labels for things, and if they retain their original power even as their meanings change. I think it’s dangerous to write about good warlocks or witches, because I’m pretty sure those words have always been associated with the occult, but I’m unsure about the etymology of “wizard” – and whether it mightn’t possibly trace its origins pack to some synonym of “prophet.” I don’t know at all, I’m just surmising, because I don’t think the wizard Gandalf in Lord of the Rings is dangerous – not like Harry Potter. Honestly, I don’t know where I stand on that. So I generally avoid it in my own work.

    But as to the other extreme – Christians who think we don’t need fiction to tell the truth? Completely ridiculous. I think it’s NECESSARY in many cases. Fiction is often more useful for telling the truth than history is. Storytelling is one of the most powerful tools we have – to help people understand complex ideas, to help them see things from a new perspective, to consider things they never would have considered before. One of Lewis’s reasons for writing The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe was to take the story of Christ and remove it from all the historical trappings that make people recognize and reject it immediately. Most people will stop listening as soon as they hear the name Jesus. But use another name, and tell a story with the same truths, and suddenly they’re listening. By the end, they see the parallels and realize that maybe they were wrong to judge the real story so quickly. One biblical example of this is Nathan the prophet telling David the story about the guy with the lamb to convict David of his sin in committing adultery with Bathsheba. If he had just said “dude, you really messed up” David wouldn’t have listened. Instead, he tells a made-up story that gets David all riled up and wanting to kill the guy who took the lamb, when Nathan points out it was David himself who took the lamb (metaphorically speaking). Then David realizes his sin.

    And (again going from Lewis’s belief that the devil cannot create) I believe that our ability to make up stories was given to us by God. I think it’s a part of what it means to be made in His image – that we are CREATIVE. If the IDEA we are conveying is true, even if we are using people who never existed and events that never happened to convey that idea – the idea is still true. The difficulty is that we can use those same methods to very convincingly tell a lie. So we do have to be careful.

    But for heaven’s sake; Jesus used parables. Enough said, right?

    So I definitely encourage you in your quest to write fiction that points to God. With caution but without guilt.

    This conversation has me all excited and thinking up new ideas for blog posts – so thank you!!! : )

    1. I’ve got alot going on getting ready for my son’s party but I am so excited about our conversation and I have alot to talk about. As soon as I can I’ll write back. It’s really nice to talk to someone about all this. God bless!

  3. I’m sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I found your reply very enlightening. Great example with David and Nathan. I had never thought about it that way. It makes me feel much better and all you said made alot of sense. I’m surprised it was Tolkien that converted Lewis. For some reason I thought it was the other way around. Lewis just seemed more spiritual for some reason. The Lord of the Rings is iffy for me. I LOVE the movies but I did have a hard time with the scene between Gandalf and Saruman. It gave me chills. I couldn’t get into the books. I read all but the last chapter of The Fellowship of the Rings while I was pregnant. It was too detailed for me. I will probably try to read through The Chronicles of Narnia now that I have more info on it and some of the other books you suggested.

    I don’t know if I agree with Lewis’ idea of mythology. This may sound crazy but I believe mythology is based on demons….when they fell to the earth they wanted to be worshiped too. I believe there is a real demon behind every false god. I wonder if some of the mythology is based on the fallen angels that people encountered and began worshiping…..also maybe the nephilim. Some of it’s conspiracy theory. I feature some of this in my book as well. There’s a part in my book where the villagers begin to worship this statue they made of a moon goddess….pretty soon the thing comes to life….the dybbuk (demons) are drawn to the evil and take it’s form. I also have sprites…evil lights that lead people off the path and into danger. And phantom creatures that mimic humans who have passed (ghosts) but they’re really dybbuk. I believe real life ghosts are just demons mimicing humans they have known (why they’re called familiar spirits in the Bible). There’s alot of deception in the book as a part of the battle between good and evil. Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish between good and evil…like in real life.

    I didn’t know there was the emperor over the sea in Lewis’ books. So far I have figures for the father and the son but I have no clue how to portray the Holy Spirit. Did Lewis have an allegorical figure for the Spirit? Have you ever read Pilgrim’s progress? I like that allegory and Hind’s Feet on High Places. I want to keep my book unique of course….without reinventing the wheel.

    God bless! ~Amber

    1. Don’t worry about the delay! Believe, me, I understand being busy. And I don’t even have kids, so you must have it worse! ; )

      I know what you mean about Lewis seeming more spiritual. He did write a lot more theological stuff than Tolkien – Tolkien seemed to stick to Middle Earth (though I haven’t researched his work as thoroughly as I have Lewis’s). I also agree with you on the Gandalf/Saruman scene, in that it makes me vaguely uncomfortable, but I look at it differently from, say, Harry Potter, because Tolkien portrays his wizards so differently than Rowling does. They are not human, for starters. I don’t know what they are or where they come from, but they are they’re own breed of creature that live ages and ages. Also, watching or reading LOTR doesn’t give (most people at least) the desire to BE Gandalf, the way you want to BE Harry. He’s an ugly old wise man versus a young, hansom, king-butt kid. We get the feeling that we are not supposed to mess with the power Gandalf messes with. Lastly, Middle Earth is a fantasy world, whereas Harry Potter’s world is connected with the real one, and therefore the same rules should apply. A witch is a witch, a wizard is some kind of warlock. But in a fantasy world, words may have different definitions, and “wizard” may be closer to “prophet.” All that being said, however, I would choose terms more carefully in my own work, and I’d love to ask Tolkien for his thoughts on the subject.

      Lewis’s use of mythology in fiction was not necessarily what he believed to be true, but what he believed COULD be true. It was fiction, after all. He also made it clear that there was such a thing as false gods – in The Last Battle, for instance, the god “Tash” is mentioned (who seems to be like Allah). Tash is clearly a false god, at odds with Aslan. So he’s not saying all religions are true.

      I’ve thought about the nephilim thing as well. And you don’t sound crazy. I think it’s entirely possible that the Greek “gods” were fallen angels. Or they were angels that WEREN’T fallen, and other fallen angels pretended to be them to solicit worship from humans. To bring up Islam again – I’ve heard the Muslim, or Arab people descended from Ishmael and originally worshiped the same God we and the Jews worship (God promised He would take care of Hagar and Ishmael). It was Muhammad that came along and led them astray to worship someone else (I believe a demon), creating the Islam we know today. I’d imagine the same thing could have happened with the Greek and Roman gods.

      Lewis’s Space Trilogy will explain his ideas much better than I can. In it, each planet in our solar system is ruled by a high angel they call an Oyarsa (these angels are under God’s authority, of course). Each planet is named after the Oyarsa who rules it (or vice versa, perhaps). Earth was the only fallen planet; Lucifer/Satan (the Bent One) was our Oyarsa. All the Oyarsu have different names in the “Ancient Language” than they do with the Greeks and Romans, but he gives those names as well. Venus, for instance, is Perelandra. I think the coolest thing about all this is it offers one possible explanation for the creatures in Revelation who appear as “a wheel within a wheel” – i.e. planets that spin on their own axes and revolve around the sun.

      The Holy Spirit? Hmmm. No, thinking back, I can’t say he did have a figure to represent the Holy Spirit. but I think in that case I have to point out that Narnia wasn’t meant to be allegory (though EVERYONE seems to think it was). Lewis considered “allegory” a type of story in which characters represented immaterial things (like Despair in Pilgrim’s Progress – which I started reading when I was younger but never finished), whereas a character representing a real person is “symbolism.” Lewis wrote this in a litter to a Mrs. Hook: “If Aslan represented the immaterial Deity, he would be an allegorical figure. In reality however he is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question, “What might Christ become like if there really were a world like Narnia and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?” This is not allegory at all. So in Perelandra. This also works out a supposition . . . Allegory and such supposals differ because they mix the real and the unreal in different ways.” So if Aslan is just Jesus’s name in Narnia, we can suppose that the Holy Spirit, who doesn’t need a physical form whether He is in our world or in Narnia, would simply be the same there as he is here.

      If that makes any sense???

      You’ve raised a doozy of a question as to how to represent the Holy Spirit. We are so inept at understanding the Trinity in real life, translating it to fiction is something of a mystery to me. Much will depend on how you portray the Father and Son. Are they physical characters? Either way, I’m not even sure…

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